Acupuncture and holistic medicine for RA

We discuss how:
– Dr. Ken Grey uses acupuncture and holistic medicine as
– Methods like acupuncture, homeopathy and food therapy can balance and interact with the western approach
– Pain- and stress reduction are widely accepted applications of acupuncture
– RA from an acupuncture point of view relates to lung and liver energy blockage
– Food and approach to life in general play a key role in the healing process


Clint: Today we’ve got a very special guest here in Jupiter, it is Dr. Ken Grey who is a doctor of Oriental Medicine. He is also an expert in acupuncture and is on staff down at Jupiter Medical Center. And also has his own private practice. He’s also the host of the long time running maximum health radio show which I appeared on recently which is how we connected and it’s a real pleasure to have you on the Paddison podcast welcome Dr. Grey.

Dr. Grey: Thank you Mr. Paddison, good to see you again. You look so happy and healthy and that’s wonderful to know.

Clint: Thank you. Certainly, something that we both share is a interest in health. And it’s funny to actually think that it’s sort of a niche to be interested in health. You would think that everyone would be interested in it, but we all get so caught up in our in our careers, and our other interests in life, that we seem to get distracted. How did you become so?

Dr. Grey: I was gonna say I think it just got to the point where we just had no other choice now, you know. For a long time, we just couldn’t we were, we inherited genes of healthy people.

Clint: Right.

Dr. Grey: You know live off the land, and have clean air, and now we have to choose our milk, and our meats, our fruit. It’s crazy. Cancers go by anything.

Clint: Well that’s right. We have to be very careful lot of pitfalls these days. In fact, I would think that you know your average person following a typical Western American diet is going to end up having problems. I mean have you seen throughout your career so far, any shift just in that short period of time with regards to worsening health? Or have you witnessed any trends that are alarming with regards to human health?

Dr. Grey: Oh yeah definitely! I think one of the most interesting aspects of what I get to do is, acupuncture for most part, most people or holistic medicine as I like to practice which is encompassing and utilizing all of most of ancient therapies. So, acupuncture being one, herbal heat therapy, herbs, homeopathy, which is not so ancient but still older than some of the more conventional pharmaceuticals per say. I think food therapy. All of these things under holistic medicine, is not the first choice for most people here in the United States, and definitely not in Florida which is considered you know sort of a big pharmacy. I mean it’s where people like that quick fix. They like the pill, they like the surgery, they like anything that’s gonna keep them going. And unfortunately, that quickness was been in food through microwaves, or you know processed foods in cans, and frozen foods. That’s put us into the state of health that we are today, along with other choices that we could have probably you know we could have chosen a better. Right?

Dr. Grey: And so now my long story short is that, I’m not the first choice. People like me are not the first choice, for the majority. Doctor refer to me, when they have no other options. A patient or family member may refer when they have no other options. So, the group is growing.

Clint: Yes.

Dr. Grey: Yes. I’m having more and more people where they’re searching me out for the, as soon as they get a sore throat, as soon as they get a tummy ache or a headache, I’m their first call. But it’s changing now, we’re seeing these changes and then that growth in that area of medicine expand now. And I think it has a lot to do with people like yourself, you know spreading the word. Making improvements to their own lives. And then when you make it changed your life that is obviously tremendous. And for (inaudible) people are going to start to listen because, people want to know how people succeed not how they fail.

Clint: Right, right. Exactly, exactly. Now you work alongside other medical professionals who practice more of what we’d say like western approach with medicine, pharmaceuticals, surgeries, and so on. Do you sometimes find that there is a conflict in approach between what you would like to see done and what is done? And if so how do you balance that and are you finding that it’s becoming more synergistic?

Dr. Grey: Yeah that’s a good question. Balance is key, balance of approach, balance of communication, balance of treatment. So, for me it’s been one of kindness and compassion. Being a teacher, being a (inaudible), you can’t push things at anyone. And you shouldn’t push things on anyone. And what’s happening now is the explosion of information is that, people can choose their paths from an educated sampling. When it comes to me, I do try to communicate with their physicians, I do try to meet with physicians of all kinds when given the opportunity. And so that brings an added benefit to my patients, so they don’t feel like they have to choose. So, I truly run an integrated practice whereas, if I feel that they need a different therapy than what I can offer. Whether it’s conventional, Western, and or what have you. I will include that in their treatment plan and ask them to pursue it and do so by explaining to them why and how, what are the benefits, and you know what are their options. Now I hope that, there is a growth of that from the other end.

Clint: Yeah.

Dr. Grey: I mean more and MD’s practicing whether it’s in the area of orthopedics, or cardiology, or allergy. I mean the allergists (inaudible) and will start to educate themselves in the application of someone like myself were working in conjunction with their patients not whether or not it dismisses their methods, but that employ is the well-being of their patients. That’s really what it comes down to is are we going to put patients beyond ourselves in our limited scope, to give them the best of what’s available? And that’s how I approach things.

Clint: I saw an example on YouTube just before we spoke here, as I was going through multiple bunch of videos that feature yourself. One were a woman had been through quite a significant surgical procedure, and you had administered acupuncture to that patient both before and I believe after, and her experience was quite amazing. Can you give us an example of that I just described of how the acupuncture approach was so helpful for her in that not in a situation where she wasn’t able to use the conventional pain relief?

Dr. Grey: Right. So, so that was interesting because she had a family member that was also on staff at Jupiter Medical. She was not the first time that this patient was now the first time that I was included in a surgical procedure, pre-op, during, and post-op. And so, what made this so special on top of everything was that. This patient had horrible past results when it came to anesthesia and pain meds. So, for her it was a search to find integrative measures for this surgery which was a double mastectomy with reconstruction. The doctor that was doing this or doctors because one doctor was going to do the mastectomy, and then another doctor the plastic surgeon comes in and does the reconstruction. The beauty of these two individuals was that they had it might have treated either family members of theirs and several patients, either in this capacity or otherwise. So, this particular patient was able to smoothly transition through my treatment, to the day of surgery where I show up, I did the acupuncture right in the pre-op room. Helped her naturally to de-stress, helped to lower stress, not only for the anxiety levels but because when you lower cortisol levels the likelihood of having increased pain also diminishes quite a bit. I mean the likelihood of it having increasing pain rate, you get less pain with less cortisol levels, less inflammation. So that being said, when I went into the operating room. I also did acupuncture, I taped on the needles, and you can find this on YouTube, my channel their Earth School, Look at Dr. Ken Grey what have you. And it was a great piece by ABC News because what they showed was, it was not in the way of the surgery. It was not anything that caused anyone’s stress whether it was a nurse’s or the doctor’s. And what that did was keep the body processing energy, and blood flow, and keep the stress levels on the body during this traumatic experience. which people don’t think of surgery as trauma, but it is trauma, it’s controlled trauma. It’s happening (inaudible).

Clint: Yeah right.

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Dr. Grey: And then post op, I was able to help her in recovery, and minimize pain. So the pain, the acupuncture for pain treatment was instrumental in the fact that she never had to use pain meds. So whatever miniscule metal was used post during the surgery, once it wore off. She was purely on at my you know for the acupuncture, and and I treated her at home. I went visited her a few times a week, and she was up and moving you know very quickly, her recovery time was cut probably more than half. And that’s a testimony that was shared by the doctors which again is ABC News really can look it up on YouTube and search Dr. Ken. And I think we need to see more of that, because this woman is now still cancer free, she is alive and well, she had a positive experience. And not everyone can save that.

Clint: Sure, absolutely!

Dr. Grey: Positive experience able to eat and be nourished without nausea, without extreme pain, and discomfort. Those are things we all should hope for. If and God forbid, we have to have these procedures before.

Clint: What is it about the acupuncture, given that we as an audience on this podcast pretty fresh to that concept? We haven’t had a guest on to talk about this in the past but, what is it about that process that helped with the pain reduction? And then can you extrapolate that and say, how it can help people who have pain in their joints which is our audience?

Dr. Grey: So, pain reduction through acupuncture is the first application it found its way to America in the early 70’s. Once the doors of China were opened to more trade, and more you know communication. And I think really the first thing that scientists and doctors had agreed on here, was once you put this little needle into the body, it doesn’t really matter if it’s an acupuncture point, although it does help if it’s an acupuncture point. There is a release of endorphins, feel good hormones. Body realizes that there is a little injury to the body, there’s an inflammatory response, and there is a release of feel good hormones naturally from the body.

Clint: Wait sorry, because I’ve had acupuncture before. And I didn’t feel good when it went straight in, because you get that very very slight amount of oops, something that. Are you meant to actually feel the endorphins or is it at a level that’s undetectable?

Dr. Grey: You know I would say the immediate feeling from most is not there, because you’re if you’re for the first time having acupuncture or your practitioner is obviously a little bit, not too accommodating to the (inaudible) of kind of treatments. You know everyone’s different. For me I create spa setting it’s very calm, it’s very you know nurturing, so healing starts from the moment you walk in the door. Now that being said, the feeling comes once everything settles.

Clint: Yeah yeah yeah. Gotcha.

Dr. Grey: Now the needles are in, they start to feel pretty relaxed, and some sleep, and some will be snoring by the time I come back. That’s the reality of that. So, stress reduction, anxiety reduction, all of those things are clearly across the board accepted you know and then within the community the medical community. And secondly, they expanded into detox because again reducing stress, reducing cravings, whether it’s drugs and alcohol that’s another medically scientifically accepted. So, pain reduction comes from this you know relaxation, release of endorphins. Now other than that, all pain and diseases related to the blockage of energy and blood flow. That’s the number one rule that we learn when we start our education process. It’s thousands of years old, every Eastern culture believes that in some way shape or form. There is an energetic component to human beings that has to be affected. In order to produce healing and reduce pain.

Clint: Okay. And so, the acupuncture process of applying those needles into those particular places helps to free up energy, and also assist in blood flow freedom as well. Correct?

Dr. Grey: Exactly, because when you think of a cut which is the simplest form of injury, where we can readily wrap our hands around obviously it expands. There’s a blockage of blood moving from point A to Point B.

Clint: Right.

Dr. Grey: So, the language of the body to tell you that that system is compromised or that aspect of your system is compromised is pain. If we didn’t have pain, we probably would pay attention to it.

Clint: Very true.

Dr. Grey: We probably do more of it. Right. Simple, factors. So that’s our language. We know through pain, that we have to restore communication of nutrients, of nerves. Which is electrical impulse and furthermore, of energy or Chi which is life force.

Clint: Right. Okay.

Dr. Grey: All those components are communicating and traveling properly. We’re in balance. Yin and Yang. Chi is flowing, blood is flowing, and we’re healthy and strong.

Clint: And so, by applying the pin to that spot there is a safe level of small amount of perceived injury by the body that sends energy to that area. A healing energy and nurturing energy, that frees up blockage, and gets that area functioning the way it should. Is that layman’s terms of what’s going on?

Dr. Grey: Simple things are (inaudible.

Clint: Go go go.

Dr. Grey: You learn more of the system, you learn more protocols, you learn an extent to which extent of training and experience. To take a lifetime combination of placement of these acupuncture points, organ and there’s internal matter there’s a whole internal medicine component, which is dealing with the root of the system, deeper. Surface pain is really just a branch, so when you’re looking at an area that is blocked you also have to look at the root system and see if there is any damage or imbalance there. So over time we develop those and block those blockages and imbalances as well. And so each organ has a system related component. Liver inflammation, and that leads us to the talk of arthritis. Rheumatoid arthritis for us is two main organs lung and liver.

Clint: Fascinating, well please. You’ve got the platform I’d love to hear more on this.

Dr. Grey: So, lung and liver. You know liver is the general of the body. It’s meant to keep their free flow blood and energy moving. When we have a diagnosis which is very, one of the most popular diagnosis in our society in our country is Liver Qi Stagnation by that traditional Chinese medicine doctor. Why? Because we’re the society of an answered well. We most of the time want what we can’t have.

Clint: Right.

Dr. Grey: The unanswered well produces stress. So, this whole movement a meditation, mindful meditation, and being present. Is part of the healing process and bring us more to conscious present term, and stress reduction, right? Acupuncture is part of that it has been for many years because, the idea that we have liver qi stagnation or the general of the body system right here and that’s why I’m pointing to it. Is meant to keep out, if that organ is stagnated. Then the whole system of the body is stagnated. And if we know anything about a machine, when you stagnate a process it overheats. Overheating can be manifesting in all sorts of ways, but whereas (inaudible) manifest mostly is going to be in its joints, in the hubs. Where energy can get caught and blocked. We know these hubs because the ones that overheat, are going to be our joints. That’s the main hubs of our body. Hips, knees, elbows, fingers, toes, spine. When they overheat they swell. Just as any machine would have, you would have a heat, blockage, pressure, swelling, inflammation. That’s one aspect of rheumatoid arthritis.

Dr. Grey: So, we have to treat the liver. You get that, and with a testament to you there’s ways of treating it beyond acupuncture that has to do with your daily process of what you put into feed the liver. Do you feed it inflammatory foods with it’s going to tax that aspect to your machine? Or are you going to feed it things that’s gonna enrich it and help that aspect of machine work more efficiently, with less stress thereby rippling the effect of a balanced aspect of that machine to the rest of the machine.

Clint: Yeah just to work further into the metaphor. I think that if we consider the liver to be overheated, and what do you do if you’ve got an overheated machine. Well first of all you slow it down a little bit, or you take some pressure off. If the flywheel is spinning at you know 50000 revs per minute, then you’ll slow it down a little bit. And we know that if you simply take your foot off the accelerator, with food consumption and you just stop eating for a day or two. Virtually all the pain disappears and a rheumatoid arthritic body. And so that’s the equivalent of you know just letting it cool it certainly has the exact result that we’re after. Of course, then we have a backup again by eating all the incorrect foods. So, tell us, you mentioned liver, and you mentioned the lungs.

Dr. Grey: So, then the lung component, if that’s the root and the branch of the lungs is the skin. So, the opening of the lungs is skin. It controls the opening and closing of pores. Condition of the lungs. Now we see this relationship very clearly when you see a chronic smoker. If they have smoke for a long time the lungs are dry, the skin is going to be dry. If the lungs are really filled with a lot of toxins the skin is going to be not only dry but discolored, and so forth and so on. So, the lungs, and the skin are very much connected. Now rheumatoid arthritis, “rooma” for breath. You know gives us that connection to the lung connection, and then arthritis for inflammation anything with “IS” is inflammation. So, we know there’s a lot of liver connection because now, it’s not just the joints at deep. But it manifests to touching the skin, the surface. Then you have (inaudible) where we have normally redness around the joint system. But even the skin to touch, the swelling of the actual skin the dermis is affected.

Clint: Yeah and quite often you’ll see people with rheumatoid arthritis develop the psoriasis patches as well. And then you’ve got a diagnosis of psoriatic arthritis which I just considered to be two conditions or two manifestations of.

Dr. Grey: The same root.

Clint: Same thing same thing.

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Dr. Grey: And so, psoriasis is now heat, so that’s red. Something called Daphnis or Phlegm which is when things are not moving. When a river is flowing free and clear, you don’t have gook. You don’t have gloppy areas, you have happy fish, grass is green, everything is nourished. Same with the body, when you have blockages you have gloppy areas things start to pool. You have areas of pain, and so that pain can move. So, you may not only stop but the joints but then you have moving pain up the legs, in the arms. And then they’ll diagnose you with something else called fibromyalgia. But that’s only because the root system is so compromised now it’s expanding to other organs like the spleen, which is in charge of the muscle help. So that’s the root system of the branch the muscles, and digestion and the gut.

Clint: Absolutely.

Dr. Grey: That the spleen is the stove to the part of soup, which is the stomach. So, and it’s right across and very much connected physically to the liver. So usually after a while you will get some involvement. As you know the gut being the center for inflammation as conventional medicine is now accepting, that it’s kind of a broad stroke and then they say just take probiotics. But it’s more comprehensive like you know, it’s not just taking things. It’s also eliminating certain things. It’s also bringing a balance to your life and the way you expose yourself to. And like I always say to my patient’s food is not really what you put in your mouth, it’s everything that you feed your body. What you look at, what you listen to.

Clint: Right, that’s a good insight. Yeah absolutely. Basically, every thought you have is in some way some kind of food for your body isn’t it? Right, yup everything you see I like that. Yeah. It’s so true. We are just sponges for our environment, aren’t we? And the consumption of food is just an extreme version of that consumption but the subtle ones picking up on negative energy from other people and so forth I think that’s really that’s a great insight.

Dr. Grey: Saying without a balanced mind, you can have a balanced digestion.

Clint: Yeah.

Dr. Grey: Mind fall out place and you’re shoving food you can have indigestion. And so we have a society that lives of all sorts of reflux medications and things destroying our guts. Because we want to keep stress eating, foods that are not helpful. Now we all mask the acid that’s being an indicator for us that we need to change our consumption. Not only of what we’re putting in, but what we’re allowing to stress our lives, and to destroy our joy, and our peace. And make better choices because without quality living, it’s really not much of life at all.

Clint: Exactly. So, what’s your favorite patient? If someone walks in and says Dr. Grey, I’m here because of X Y Z. What do you just sort of like, just like you know do this and you say this is going to be fun because you know you’re going to be able to turn it around?

Dr. Grey: That’s easy. A patient that comes in with gratitude already in their heart. They may be suffering, but they’re still grateful for every day. If someone is grateful you can work with that. The complaining patients are probably going to complain no matter what happens. The patients that are in honest pain and just don’t know that. That’s fine I’ll take them, it’s not you know. They can be changed but I feel like the patients that are complainers in life, that feel like everything is a tragedy whether or not they did well it golf or tennis or you know their cars in the shop, everything’s a tragedy. They’re always going to be unhappy, and they’re always going to be unhealthy. But the patients with gratitude, you know. I should say always I think there was a poor. You know I don’t want to take away hope for people like that because I was once a person like that. But it takes a lot to change, and I have a life of healing which is mutual. So, because I’m hands on, I’m not, it’s not just going on, it’s also coming back right? So, but I can say that my favorite patient which is answers is the one that presents with the spirit of gratitude. They’re just grateful for everything, and you just know that their healing is going to be a much quicker process and a much more joyful and comprehensive process, much more enjoyable.

Clint: Yeah as you said from both sides having been also in a position where I work with people in our support platform, also on a coaching basis. You know that when people show up and they’re, they’ve just got this glint in their eye like this is going to work and this is exciting. Yeah, I can totally relate to that and.

Dr. Grey: It’s not always immediate, it’s not like they’re just going to come in and (inaudible) it’s not the impression I’m trying get. But, once you sit down with them, and giving time, and you help them understand that you are connecting with them as a person. They take that, and they see no matter what. I’ve got some woman in front of me that cares, and they have this sense of thank you. You can be thank you for your time, thank you for your trust, Let’s go forward together and do our best together. And they’re listen to you, they’re going to go out and get the right foods, the right supplements. They’re not going to say. It’s your Work, you fix me. That’s really the situation of gratitude or persons with gratitude.

Clint: Yeah. Well let’s think of it the opposite then. If we look at the other extreme, what do you think is the most counterproductive trait, emotional trait to have in terms of being able to heal?

Dr. Grey: I think, to self being self-absorbed. I think if you become pain, or your disease, and you call it yours, or mine, you possess it.

Clint: Yeah.

Dr. Grey: Ready Creating a bad situation. So, I try to inform patients when they say my this, my that. Like yours is this just this series of in bounces over time, that we need to rectify over time. So, I try to get them out of that place of claiming their disease, starting to speak more positively because words and thoughts become things really. You know so it’s essential to change one’s mental, their consciousness in order to accept the healing. Because you can fix them, I’ve see patients that they have frozen shoulder. And then you get the motion back, but they still insist that something still wrong. Because they’re not accepting the healing. They have become they’re healing, they become whatever they have been over time. And they were in that space for so long with their family, their friends, their co-workers. That they don’t know how to bring themselves out of that disease. And they’ve identified themselves as part of that disease. So that space becoming self-absorbed, is all of ours. We all have to work it out constantly because we can become whatever is you know is keeping us out. But once we say okay, what can I do today? Outside of myself to help to improve to so forth and so on. I think we open up doors that will allow for healing on many levels not just physically. So just keep moving. We spoke about exercise for instance.

Clint: Yeah yeah yeah we did.

Dr. Grey: We don’t like to do things that make us uncomfortable sometimes but sometimes the things that make us uncomfortable or may not bring us immediate joy but may bring other people joy or. I mean you know these are all things outside of ourselves, are not always easy. but I feel that those are things that we need to do to you know push forward.

Clint: Yeah, I love that. Just going back, a second before we talk about exercise. The self-absorbed I think is a really good thing that we all need to be mindful of. And the ownership of the disease is something that I never did myself when it came to my condition of rheumatoid arthritis. I always spoke of it as something that I was working on, a problem that I was trying to fix. It was never, it never had any kind of personification. It was just the thing that I wanted to get rid of and it wasn’t part of me, and I could never identify my life and it was a separate part of me that I just wanted to extract, I just wanted it out. That’s how I thought about it. And I think that that’s a great reminder about the words this isn’t, you know my disease, my this. No it’s the way you described it and it’s something that I often say it’s a project I’m working on. It’s not even something that we should be trying to be too emotional about it. it’s just it’s something that we’re logically, and non-emotionally, systematically working towards eradicating. That’s how I like to think about this. I’ve got a physics background.

Dr. Grey: It was a challenge that you met and improved your life. You never saw it is, this is my life. It’s just a challenge that showed up to make you better. That you saw your way over it. But yeah, I think if the opposite, would have been oh woe is me, why it happened to me?

Clint: Oh, and they exist.

Dr. Grey: What did I do for it happen to me and your girlfriend who was now your wife. (inaudible) the audience that you have. Life, it bloomed into this gorgeous beautiful flower because, inside of you state is beautiful what you know. And so yeah, we have to stay diligent no matter what comes. Oh, that’s not a wall, that’s a step, I just need to step higher. We all have them, we all have the challenges. It’s part of the journey which makes us so special. But healing comes you know the opportunity, healing comes in so many ways for you as well as you know rheumatoid arthritis. And for a lot of patients watching this obviously it was rheumatoid arthritis.

Clint: yeah right.

Dr. Grey: Or it is, every day a little bit of chipping away can happen at yourself. At your, at the ownership of that of what it is. I know people that may have some indications of it, and they just get thrown this diagnosis. And sometimes you go to them just because you have some of the, you don’t really have that. You don’t want it, you don’t have to claim it.

Clint: Yeah right.

Dr. Grey: You just have little joint pain, and maybe your levels in your blood and so on and so on. but you don’t have to act like that person.

Clint: Right.

Dr. Grey: You sink with it and shut down the rest of her life.

Clint: That’s right. I totally can relate to witnessing that. So, as we as we come towards the close. Let’s talk briefly about exercise, but then if there’s also a personal story that you’d like to share that would be nice too. I’ll think of the right question while we just take a small piece of time to talk about exercise. because my audience all exercise, everyone knows the importance of that. But do you have a lot of success getting in ways of encouraging people to exercise? Is a good question. Because how can you help to encourage your patients to exercise? what techniques have you found that have been good at getting results?

Dr. Grey: I mean first of all, you know a lot of times when you have these chronic diseases. Come across your test table what have you for me. You have to develop a relationship before you start suggesting anything, besides the immediate treatment that they’re looking for. So, I think as time goes on you just start talking about it depending on the person and their mindset. You really have to be connected and conscious of what they’re willing to accept and what they’re willing to hear. And then it’s just a matter of conversation, like I said a suggestion. What do you love to do? What brings you happiness? You know maybe we can try yoga, have you tried yoga? No, I can’t, you know I can’t sit still. Now you can, have a sense of humor. Then tell the teacher look I don’t, you know I don’t care for you too much, but I want to try it and I think like 20 minutes and then I’ll if it’s with you I’d like to leave. And if they’re not interested in your parameters, then you’re fine in the studio. You don’t just say I tried yoga I hated it because I’ve seen so many serious reason. So, with you know different forms of exercise. So, you keep moving is the key. So, we’ll go through swimming, do you like swimming? You like gyro tonics, works on the core. At least you’ll be working the core. If you don’t wanna work your legs, your knees, maybe some gyro tonics which just works the core. And some really is just about myself, trying. You know I am experienced because I as a physician have to heal myself constantly.

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Dr. Grey: Right so I think that’s the other aspect to. Once you’ve had challenges, once you’ve come through your own challenges and journeys, you have more substance to offer your patients. So for me these conversations are real because I’ve been in, you know in capacities, a car accident. Laid up in a hospital, I’ve had dislocated that, and broke you know what I mean, broken thank God. But I’ve had a lot of injuries. I think I drink a lot of milk as a kid, so I’ve been banged around and like I don’t know how you’re not broken. But you know, I’ve had a lot of things go on and still with each challenge I came through. I can now share those experiences and it’s like you know. A patient is interested in you if you’re more human talking to them. If you know what I mean?

Clint: Oh yeah yeah. We’ve all had the experience with a general practitioner where you walk in and sometimes you’re a few minutes into the conversation before they’ve looked up from their computer. I mean I have had experiences like that yeah.

Dr. Grey: You don’t want that, that’s not gonna help you you know. I my patients ask me Dr. you know, I really want a glass of wine. And I know to talk about wine and have less sulfates. Old world versus new world, or potato vodka versus you know. And so, I don’t advocate alcohol, but the point is a patient sometimes they don’t wanna hear. no drinking’s bad, no bread, no this is bad, that’s bad. It’s like what are you going to do? Johnny Carlson once say okay, I give up sex, alcohol, and drugs, and you know what’s next? Suicide.

Dr. Grey: But things that equals life, right? You know, like this is living. And you know whether it’s fishing in a little wine this and that other the thing. It has to be something like a carrot. You know to dangle, to keep you going. And so, I think you know the healing process as you know we can always have stringent disciplinary times you know. Sometimes you’ve got to whatever, but you also have to have the times where you can have a joke, and laugh, and talk about some things, and you know fun foods, fun activities and such. And so, once you connect on all those levels. They’re more like a lesson when you say you know Mr. So-and-so Mrs. So-and-so I really need you to get into the yoga studio today, time.

Clint: Yeah.

Dr. Grey: Because you already laugh, they know you there with them.

Clint: Yeah yeah yeah that’s right.

Dr. Grey: (inaudible) them, I’m not here to belittle them. I’m here to see them achieve the best life that they were meant to live. that to me is true healing.

Clint: Beautiful. So just to wrap up then, what does the future look like for Dr Ken grey? How are you going to grow personally and also with your practice over the coming years?

Dr. Grey: I think growth for me is not so much this idea of expanding necessarily past what I’m doing as much as just more or how many I can reach. So, for that obviously I can only, hands on heal so many people in a day. And you know I remember thinking, oh if I could only heal eight people I be doing good. And then it was 10 people, and then it was like 21 people. like you know that’s not the type of feeling whereas here takes this pill, or just a surgery. it’s hands on conversations, food therapy, acupuncture, aromatherapy, Tuina – Chinese medical massage, use of bio puncture which is using homeopathic injected into acupuncture points which I learned in Germany. And I’m ever learning and expanding and that way so that’s the growth aspect. But then I was asked years ago to do a radio show, so I got maximum health, and I’ve done an hour and that’s about quality living. And so, I’d like to see that go national. I’d like to see it, it’s available on podcasts worldwide through the Public Radio Exchange But I’d like to see NPR pick it up and then it’s in all markets just as know any of their (inaudible). And I’d like to do more television, my YouTube channel I’m working on now to expand the live streams like we did. And more recordings so, I’d like to do that, and I’d like to be able to reach people in a visual aspect that’s positive and sort of do this sort of natural reaching and healing of millions a day without losing myself or my family. I’m still maintaining a quality of life for myself. So how would that manifest? Giving up?

Dr. Grey: You know I don’t have these, you know media pictures. I just have like I told you the wows (inaudible) you know. For me it will be healing many, you know being a healing force in this world to millions every day, whether it’s just sharing or allowing others who were doing great works to who have a platform. Creators of creation that sort of thing. But for me I’m really happy, I can tell you that honestly, I feel effective every day. And if I can maintain that, then we’re doing good.

Clint: I love that. I love that feeling effective every day. That’s a great way for us to close up and really appreciate your time. And I’m sure all those things that you’ve just talked about are going to happen. And you know it seems like when you’ve got a plan that’s going to serve a lot of people. The universe tends to step up and help it to happen doesn’t it. So, I’d like to also thank you again for having me on your maximum health radio that you just mentioned a few weeks ago. And to anyone who hasn’t come across it yet certainly just jump on Google you’ll be able to find that radio show and tune in each week to Dr. Ken Grey. Thank you so much for coming on.

Dr. Grey: If they subscribe to the YouTube I’d appreciate it. the YouTube doc ken. And a lot of good information.

Clint: Awesome. And how can people reach out for you if they’re local to the area of Jupiter or Palm Beach. Can they come and see you via your website?

Dr. Grey: Yeah. That’s GREY, so easy web site has phone numbers and such. Email yeah.

Clint: Awesome. All right. Well thank you so much.

Dr. Grey: Thank you.

Clint Paddison

Clint Paddison has recovered from crippling Rheumatoid Arthitis and now assists others with this disease via the Paddison Program for Rheumatoid Arthritis, the Paddison Podcast and the blogs on