David Wolfe talks Rheumatoid Arthritis and healthy living
David Wolfe talks Rheumatoid Arthritis and Inflammation Reduction
In this episode:
– Welcome To NoniLand
– How David got into health after getting rid of dairy
– Making health a lifestyle
– Celery can help increasing HCL production
– Candida and Rheumatoid Arthritis
– Get close to nature often
– Probiotics and Kombucha
– Special Herbs
– The most important factor for success
– Water: Alkaline vs Tap and the world’s best
– How to contact David
Clint: Welcome back to the Paddison Podcast. This one is going to be lots of fun, very educational, and it’s a real treat for me because we’re sitting here in Paradise, in Hawaii. I’m, here, with David Wolfe. And, he is, if you haven’t heard of him already you may have been hiding under a rock because he’s one of the world’s most leading authorities on raw foods, superfoods…just nutrition, in general.
He’s got a ton of books. He’s a lovely guy. And, David’s sitting right next to me, mate. Thank you for joining me for this episode.
David: Thank you. Super excited and welcome to NoniLand.
Clint: It is magical. We’ve got birds in the background. I don’t apologize for those if they’re coming through the audio. Or maybe they will as we chat because it is a lovely place. So, David, just give us a little short introduction to yourself for those people who may not have come across your books or your work just yet.
David: I started out when I was about 23. And I started using the tools that I’d learned in a way that…to teach others. And so that’s how it started. And I thought, “Geez, this is what I love.” And, here I am, I think it’s almost 23 years later. So I’ve just been hitting the pavement. Just going door-to-door basically and it got big. It’s got bigger and bigger.
Clint: It gotten really big. I think the first time I saw your face was on the Food Matters documentary, which came out several years ago.
Clint: And at that point you’d already done a lot of stuff in this space and were really well known. So, it’s been huge for you and you’re doing lots of amazing things. And I think, today, what we’d like to do is just learn about a couple of specifics and, also, some broad stuff about just a healthy lifestyle. So why don’t we start with the broad stuff and then I’ll narrow things down with you with the questions.
Tell us, how should someone adopt just a healthier lifestyle with a long-term view, rather than thinking about doing things like these 30-day cleanses and then, hopefully, everything’s fine? Or 30-day challenges. How do we just make this part of our life and be healthier with a long-term mindset?
David: First thing is, the goal of it all is you’re going to be happier because you’re going to feel better day-to-day. And you’re going to hit bliss states you didn’t even think were possible. Raw food is a very important part of that. Fresh blended foods, fresh juiced vegetables, those are just incredible highs that you need to experience.
And if you’re sensitive to sugar, go to the greens. Go to the greens. Throw a lemon in there. Go to dandelion greens. Go to lettuce. I used to start out my day with cabbage and lettuce juice, massive amounts. Because the local health food store…I had no money back then so I thought, “Geez, maybe the local health food store is throwing away food?”
We would drive up behind the local health food store. A hand would come out the back door. My hand would go out the driver’s door of the car, the driver’s window. I would grab the bag. I’d bring it in the car. My friend, Kale, his real name is Kaleb. We called him Kale back then. We’d bring it home for free, and it was all the stuff they couldn’t sell. And we’d juice it. Those are highs that are important to start out your health journey.
Clint: Absolutely. Well, the first two days of our program is a two-day cleanse, which includes not just celery and cucumber as the main base of the cleanse but, also, cabbage. And it’s got great gut healing properties hasn’t it?
David: It does. Absolutely. It’s a go-to for juices, when you get into juicing. It’s one of those things, you have a good go at cabbage juice and it changes you. You start getting a different type of energy, too. That’s what these vegetables are so good at is, they’re able to deliver…it’s not stimulant energy. It’s not a protein energy. It’s not a sugar energy. It’s the power of raw food.
Clint: Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Well, I, speaking of raw, did eight months of raw foods prior to, then, slowly reintroducing some cooked foods. And, I recommend highly a very high proportion of raw foods to folks in our program as well. And, I just had a couple questions around that that I wanted to throw your way.
One thing that we’ve noticed in the scientific studies, with regards to people with rheumatoid arthritis. And, I think, this is the case when people age, in general. Is, a reduced or low levels of hydrochloric acid. So I wanted to get your thoughts on that.
I found that before going raw I used to do, occasionally, these acid burp backs. I wouldn’t describe it as a severe acid reflux problem but, with the raw foods, that all seemed to go. But, it felt like it went too much. Like, I felt like maybe my HCL levels were a little low and I just want to get your thoughts on that.
David: It’s your digestive fire. So HCL is one of the most important firewalls you have in your body. It’s a protective mechanism. We all vary in how much hydrochloric acid we produce. And, if we have low hydrochloric acid that would be produced in excess when we have a meal, then it can be absorbed into our blood and actually help clean our blood.
So this is what we’ve learned about HCL and it may be appropriate to supplement with HCL. It may be appropriate to supplement with HCL plus enzymes, in order to really extract the food value out. It may be important to blend more. Go through your food more slowly. All these things have to be considered when you’ve had a rheumatoid inflammatory process. You really need to rebuild your digestion.
Now, the main thing I recommend is celery juice, in terms of where you can get that chloride from. And that’s something that’s so incredible about celery is, it’s very rich in natural salt. And salt is a very important part of rebuilding that digestive fire. But, if we’re really broken down we can’t take salt. We can’t even have any salt at all. And, then, you have to get it naturally and celery is just easy, and widely available, and people understand it.
Clint: Interesting and I’d never ever made that connection and I’ve been pushing celery juice.
David: All right.
Clint: Good man. You’ve connected a few dots for me, as to why these things work. Because, sometimes we see things working and we’re not 100% sure why, but we run with it because it works, and we want to go to what works as quickly as possible when we’re in pain.
Okay, so that’s one thing I wanted to ask you about, the raw foods. Now, I also…we have a lot of people in our online community who talk about their struggles with reintroducing some fruits, which we know are of high benefit to the body, right? We know that virtually all fruit is healthy, if not all. But some people have trouble reintroducing fruits because what we all believe of this big candida issue, right?
So, I know you’ve posted blog posts about this in the past on one of your websites. So share with us your thoughts on candida and some tips to take away on how to work with it and get rid of it if possible.
David: It’s really on a person-by-person basis that I’m speaking, now, because everybody is very different in this regard. We grew up on refined food. We grew up on food that had no natural medicine in it. Meaning, it didn’t produce its own medicines or toxins in order to protect itself from insects. And, therefore, it’s weak and it makes us weak. And then, we have no immunological food, food that feeds our immune system. Our bacteria is off from birth because we weren’t breastfed. And you’re setting yourself up for serious problems when you put that all together.
And it’s not an easy road out, for some people. Some people, it’s very easy. You get off the sugar completely. You go on a more ketogenic type of diet, if you can handle the oils and fats. And you can pretty much get the candida out of your system pretty quickly. And, of course, high probiotics. I’m a very big fan of the right kind of probiotics. But for other people, it’s a more difficult road and it can take years, and years, and years to really reestablish your correct gut flora.
What we’re talking about with candida is a dysbiosis, where the good guys are outnumbered by the bad guys. So you’re having too much bad bacteria in your gut or fungi in your gut. That’s what candida really is, it’s a yeast fungi. And it’s going to create that dysbiosis. And that can cause deeper problems, immunological problems. It can make you susceptible to certain types of conditions, and you just have to be very careful about fruit.
Now, this is what I’ve learned about fruit over the years. Is, there are fruits that are too high in sugar, depending on your stage of development. I can drink straight honey. I had some last night here, actually, and it doesn’t bother me. In fact, I had a lot of energy going hours and hours later into the night. I couldn’t even sleep. I was just so energized last night. And that’s a different sugar reaction than most people have. A lot of people are up and down quick, within an hour.
So if you’re that type of person you have to be very careful with even sweet fruit. And you need to be aware of where you’re getting your carbohydrates from. That’s not to say…I’m not saying, “Don’t eat fruit but then go eat bread.” I’m saying, “Don’t eat fruit or bread,” right? None of those starchy carbohydrates. But if you really feel like you need something, maybe you go to a sweet potato. It’s got a little bit more mineral content per starch content. It’s a little bit more balanced, whereas, a potato is one-third or one-quarter the mineral content of a sweet potato, or yam.
So, it’s a big conversation. We have to get into someone’s gallbladder working. What’s their intestinal environment like? Do they have enough friendly bacteria? How much carbohydrates in their diet? Do they have any medicine in their diet?
And when I say that, that’s that category of super herbs that I’m always talking about. We need a super herb in our lifestyle, daily. Everyday, at my house, we have tulsi. It’s one of the great super herbs on the planet, and its immunological food. We have medicinal mushroom teas, good immunological food. And those are things that they figure into the equation, and they’re going to help your journey out quicker, but it might be too much in the beginning.
Clint: Yeah, right. Now, you talked about the probiotics and we’ve covered this a lot in earlier episodes. So, people who have listened to our series will know a lot about this already. However, it’s something that we always want to get more opinions on. For instance, are you drinking a kombucha there?
David: No, that’s actually just water. But it’s in a container where I had a tincture that I made. That’s, by the way, brings up a very important point. This is a cool container isn’t it?
Clint: Yeah it’s awesome.
David: It’s, actually, just water that’s in there. But I wanted to get the last residue of this tincture that was in here. And, one of the things that I’m really into is making my own medicine for me. And that’s ultimately the goal, depending on how far you’re going to go on your healthy living journey. Where you really want to arrive at is, you live with nature and you grow your own medicine right around you.
And that, to me, has a lot to do with spiritual fulfillment. Absolutely, is connected. I feel totally incredible here, being here 10 years. And growing all the amazing medicines that we grow right around this house, and making interesting tinctures, and things with them. Like, this, right here. I’ve made my own medicine now for years. It’s the way to go.
Clint: Yeah. This is paradise as we said at the top. Just to describe, as we take a moment to break in what we’re talking about. If I look around now, I can see pure greenery. We’re surrounded by trees right up to the few steps that come up to your house, here. And, I mean you’ve got coconuts, you’ve got raw cacaos, you showed me some vanilla plants. And, I mean there’s bees everywhere. I mean it’s like a living and breathing ecosystem, isn’t it? I mean It’s just amazing.
David: It’s so important to be integrated with nature, as part of your healing journey. Now, let’s say you’re in a city environment. You don’t have any room to grow anything. Maybe, you could do some sprouts or something but, maybe, you don’t have a green thumb. You need to commit yourself to one-hour in nature, everyday. It’s a very important commitment in your healing process, so that you can get out of the non-fractal square world of building and boxes that we’re living in. And actually get into nature, and be with the trees, and be with fresh air. Very critical part of your healing journey and of, overall, a healthy lifestyle.
Now, I say that, that way, because it is a discipline that you have to actually do. You actually have to say, “Okay I’m getting one-hour, a measured hour, in nature every day.”
Clint: Yeah, absolutely. The breeze just picked up as if to say, “Yeah, that’s right. We’re here. We’re listening.” What I used to do is, my wife and I used to go to Centennial Park, which is a big park in Sydney, and we used to do a walk around that park. It takes about 45-minutes, and it used to take me an hour and 15, right? Because hobbling along with…damaged my knee and everything. And that’s what we used to do. Everyday, used to get out and do that. As well as, a ton of other exercise but that was the nature aspect. And growing up on a farm, myself, in rural Australia anything away from nature just feels wrong.
David: This is something that you realize in your healing journey. And where you are, now, doesn’t mean you’re going to be there forever. I grew up in cities. I grew up in New York City. I grew up in San Diego, California/Los Angeles, California, and Chicago, as a kid. And my experience started there. And I know how cities are. I grew up in cities.
And, what a difference to get to nature. And how profound it is, in the way it affects you. The only word I can describe is, spiritual fulfillment. That’s the only phrase that captures the feeling. You feel fulfilled at a deep level.
Clint: All right. Well, let’s get back to some nitty gritty. Let’s talk some probiotics. Now, let me tell you where I’m coming from, first of all, so that you can dovetail into what I’ve spoken to others about and, also, what we’ve had on previous podcasts.
So the general approach is, you can’t seem to overdose on probiotics, in that they are super important, super beneficial. We tend to like the approach of both, some specific strains but also a broad spectrum. Both, broad spectrum is important but, also, some specific is good.
And, within our community, we’ve found that supplements can be more reliable than a kombucha. Because, again, so many people with RA have so much sensitivity to sugars that, sometimes, the sugars seem to cause an issue with the kombuchas. Wheres, the supplements, maybe, no one seems to have reactions to the supplements. So that’s where we’re at.
David: Like, kombucha. Where are we are with kombucha? Kombucha’s okay, occasionally, in my lifestyle. I don’t drink kombucha everyday. I’ve gotten to the point of making my own peach kombuchas, which are really, really good. But, if you make your own it’s different than what you buy in the store. What you really want is a more vinegar, more bitter kombucha. And when it has that sweetness, it’s not really good for you. It’s basically sugar and caffeine. So it’s an every now-and-then type of deal.
I have companies that I really like, in the U.S., that produce a wonderful kombucha from spring water. So, I’ll occasionally have one of those. But, as part of your healing journey, I agree with you. I think you need to go to probiotics. And I think you need to go to the probiotic research, which is very interesting. And that probiotic research indicates that you need some broad spectrum probiotics consistently.
Now, I’m speaking and referencing, of course, to Dr. Ohhira’s work, the Japanese researcher. I read, at one point in my life back in, I think, in 2008, I read every single one of Dr. Ohhira’s probiotic studies that he’d done over his 35 year career. And there was some interesting probiotics in that list that were his favorites. I’m thinking of Enterococcus faecium, for example. And, of course, Bifidus. And of course, Acidophilus. And, of course, thermophilus, and salivarius. And, what’s one of my favorite? It’s right there.
Clint: They’re tricky man.
David: It’s, Lactobacillus bulgaricus. There it is. That’s one of favorites. That’s my kind of list that I learned from Dr. Ohhira, in studying his stuff.
Clint: Well, you did what I did, which is sit down and study the science and the research. And, that’s exactly what I did, too. My background, before I got into…you don’t know this, but I’ve been doing stand-up comedy for 15 years.
And, we’re just waving off to some of the guys down here. Just letting them know that we’re doing a recording so that they can keep the noise down. They’re reversing the truck.
So, yeah. Before I got into my entertainment career I was a researcher, and put a lot of time in, as a result, reading the scientific studies and applying, like a guinea pig, everything to myself. And that’s why we’re sitting next to each other, now.
Well, let me just tell the story about how we bumped into…the reason we’re sitting here is, we bumped into each other at a health food cafe about a week ago. And, we had been wanting to chat with you for some time, on the podcast. And lo and behold, that’s how it’d come about.
David: A chance meeting in a health food store is always the best ever. And, by the way, as part of your healing journey because that’s one of the themes we’ve been talking about. Getting into a health food store, shopping in health food stores, it’s a different conversation. It’s a different type of person. You can get information there, that can assist you in your healing journey. Highly recommend it.
Clint: Yeah, especially if you want to bump into people who you want to interview.
David: There you go.
Clint: So, let’s see. What else can we cover here? Have you got any specific things to add, for people who have inflammatory conditions? Inflammation, in general, would be a good thing for us to cover. Any arthritic information that you’d like to share? I know we’ve got limited time so I just wanted to raise a couple of those potential topics.
David: Okay. So, I would go to the anti-inflammatory foods, which are yellow and orange foods. Be a little bit aware of red foods, because they can be inflammatory. So if you had a long history of inflammatory process, your joints blow up, difficulty with mobility, then you go to the yellows and the oranges. Of course, there’s always, underneath green, yellow. So, when your kale turns yellow it didn’t actually turn yellow. It’s always yellow. It’s just that the chlorophyll broke down.
So, the green and the yellow go together. So then, we got three: green, yellow, and orange. Good group of anti-inflammatory colored foods. That’s the colors you look for.
On top of that, I’m really into the super herbs. As you develop a healthy diet where, once you establish a healthy diet, and once you establish an organic diet. Once you establish a diet that’s actually nourishing you, and that your body can process, and you’re excreting waste properly. Then, we start looking at super herbs.
I really like Chaga Tea, Schizandra berry, Astragalus. Tulsi, as I’ve mentioned already. Ashwagandha, Shilajit, these tonic herbs, and there’s about 60 of them in the world, the top of the top in all the herbal systems, are things that we need to consider and we need to look at. When we have people over here, tulsi is our holy basil. And we make a holy basil pesto. It’s part of our food but, holy basil is not just a basil. Or, as you guys say, “A basil.” It’s something really extraordinary. It’s number one in Ayurvedic medicine. That’s a pretty strong position.
Clint: Right and besides making it into that format, can you also take it as a tea?
David: Absolutely. Yes. I’m actually very good friends with the largest organic tulsi distributors in the world. And I can’t say enough about tulsi. I mean we have it growing all around the house. You look over there, there, its right there. You look in front of the house, it’s over here. You look over here, just over the garbage pails over here, there it is growing right there.
This is what I mean by growing your own medicine. You just find the most powerful stuff. It’s becoming herbally literate. It takes a while. You’ve got to develop your interest in health and being healthy. And then, as that thing develops you can get on a tear. You can really transform yourself, and that’s the beauty. And that’s usually why somebody will become ill. Is, they’re headed for a transformation.
Clint: I completely agree and it transforms not just your body but the whole way you look at health, and the whole way you look at other people. I used to be…I won’t say, overly judgmental about the way I looked at someone if they had a health condition. But, I was just naive. And I wasn’t compassionate. And, now, if I see someone who has a health condition, whether it be someone who just looks like they’ve got a sore foot, right through to people who are much more serious, I’m very, very conscious of the suffering that they have. And, yeah, you need to get to a point where you’re ready for a transformation.
Clint: For those emotional and mental shifts as well.
David: I believe in karma. If you do good, you experience good. And if you’ve been ill, start doing good deeds and you’ll get better. And it will improve your life and you’ll feel good about yourself. And, ultimately, all of health is a feeling. It’s how you’re feeling moment-to-moment. And that’s what we’re striving to do. Is, nourish you with the foods that make you feel amazing moment-to-moment. Nourish you with the atmosphere, the environment that makes you feel amazing, wonderful, moment-to-moment. Nourish you with the water, with the air, all of the pieces of the puzzle. Nourish you with relationships. That’s number one, actually. Number one cause of health, healthy relationships. That’s one thing I’ve learned. There’s very few things we can know in this world. But that’s one thing I will say with conviction.
Clint: Well, I know that I wouldn’t be where I am, today, if it wasn’t for my wife. Because, the power of having that close support as a safety net for every time you just felt like giving up, you can’t put a value on that. I watched a talk one time, and he was a coach, a personal coach, who coached all of the Formula One top drivers. He did this around aback 15-20 years ago.
And so, he was coaching all of the number one Formula One race car drivers at that time. And he went through, and he did all of this research in his neurological world. He’s a super genius guy. And he said that, the number one most common element of success of any kind is not where you were born, how much money you had, any of the socioeconomic conditions. The number one factor for success was your social and family support.
Clint: That was the number one factor.
Clint: Yeah. And so what they did with the race car drivers is, they got the race car drivers to meet all of the crew who changed the wheels, who filled up the oils, who did all that sort of stuff. And they bonded and they got to know each other. So that when he pulled in, the race car driver would pull in to have his wheels changed, he knew the team. He knew they were all wanting him to succeed.
Clint: And, through the roof.
David. That’s amazing. I love stuff like that.
Clint: Its cool isn’t it?
David: That kind of thing, by the way, those inspirational little stories and tidbits, that’s what it’s all about. Because, it’s keeping you in that zone, moment-to-moment, right? When you think of stories like that you’re like, “You’re in the zone.” And that’s what I think is the best thing about social media. Is, it can constantly remind you, you have an instant reminder every time you check your Facebook or Instagram, as long as you line up to follow the right kind of people, and right kind of companies. That can remind you how great you are, and that you have the power, and that you can do this, and that your destiny can change.
Clint: Absolutely. I know you put a lot of that stuff out there. And when we wrap up shortly, you can tell us where we can follow your stuff.
David: Right on. Thank You.
Clint: Yeah. Absolutely. Let’s talk water. If I don’t think of another topic after that, we might make this the last. But let’s talk water. There were some rumors going around several years ago that you went to great lengths to get the most highest quality water at your house.
Now, I’m going to have a look around in a minute, and see if I can see these particular water routing pipes or whatever. But, tell me, you obviously place a lot of emphasis on water. Tell us all about water.
David: Okay. Well, right now, this little tincture thing I’m drinking, the water that’s in there, is from the spring down the road. And it’s at the end of the road. And it’s a famous spring on the island. And, it’s something that we revere highly depending on what kind of ceremonies are going on here, and spiritual events that we do. We might go down there and get as much as 80-gallons of spring water, which is a difficult thing to do, by the way. Because you have to climb up a cliff, really, to get it. So we revere that spring as holy.
This was picked up by my assistant and one of my best friends yesterday, fresh. So that’s the lengths we’ll go to for water here. And we believe in The Age of Aquarius, which is to carry the water on your own back. And it teaches you about water.
Another thing is, just having the right…to begin and get going on this, I became a spring water hunter. It became a hobby, a profession, a goal, a career, whatever you want to call it. It is a passion. And even, in spite of everybody saying that, “It can’t be done,” this, that, and the other thing, I just found that everywhere I was, because I had such passion for it, I could find the springs and have the most incredible experiences.
So I put that out there, just for folks who are listening thinking, “I don’t know anything about this.” But, at some point you might. And, at some point, you might take it a lot further, like I did. And, it’s one of the greatest things in my life.
The water that comes into this house, there’s about a 104-108 homes, something in that range in this development where I live. It’s actually called an, “ahupua’a,” is the name of it in Hawaii. It’s like a watershed, an ahupua’a. And, in our ahupua’a we have a little over 100 homes and an incredible reservoir of water above us. And, it comes into these homes most of the time untreated. There’s one spot where they do put chlorine in the water, rarely. And we filter that out right when it comes into the house.
And we have actually two filtration systems in this house. One of them I constructed myself. And the other was constructed by one of my favorite guys ever, Glen Culkin, out of El Toro, California. And, his pristine hydro products are absolutely amazing. And so, we use that as backup, here. But the water quality in this little area, here, is so absolutely outrageous out here, in the middle of the ocean, that you could just drink it straight and you would be in seventh heaven. It’s that good.
So anyway, that’s a little bit about this place. My other place, where I’m up in the far north in Canada, I’ve got spring water coming into the house. And, myself and my neighbor are the only ones on that water. And that’s an incredible spring that we’re on. Absolutely incredible. So we don’t have…we’re basically completely on our own independent water system.
Clint: Do you pay attention to…of course you do. But, how important or how much are you influenced by PH level and that sort of thing? Do you think people worry too much about going and buying alkaline water, for instance?
David: I think there are…I can give you an example of…I can give you many examples about alkaline water that’s great for you and alkaline water that’s terrible for you. I can give you examples of acid water that’s the best thing ever and acid water that’s the worst thing ever.
So, I think understanding PH is important. I think if you have high magnesium in the water and silica, like you get in the western half of the North American continent, you’re going to have some great water possibilities right there.
If it’s high calcium you could drink that for a while. If it’s a natural spring, like what comes out in Glastonbury, for example, in the White Spring. That spring is great but you can’t drink that all the time because it’s got too much calcium in it. So that’s an alkaline water. Both of those are alkaline waters, the magnesium water and the calcium water. They’re alkaline but I wouldn’t necessarily say that the calcium water’s always good for you.
Clint: Right. Well, I’ll tell you a little quick story. I used to drink a ton of the bottled alkaline water that came out of Blue Mountains, which is near Sydney. And, the train of thinking was that my body is overly acidic because of all the western lifestyle, etc., that we all indulge in. And so I was drinking that a lot and so forth. But I actually found that when I would go away on cruise ships to perform, that when I would be away and just drink tap water, or water that was filtered and provided to passengers on the ship, that I seemed to do better.
And then it occurred to me that, maybe, I was drinking too much of the alkaline water too close to meals and it was, again…
David: …neutralizing the hydrochloric acid.
Clint: Right. Right. And so, then I became so obsessed about when to drink my alkaline water when I got home to the shore again, and when to drink normal tap water that it all became too much of a brain mess. And I just stopped and went back to tap and actually did better in the end.
David: Yeah, I could see that. By the way, in certain areas of Australia, for example, certain areas in Hawaii, the tap water is incredible. Reykjavík, all areas of Iceland, incredible tap water. Very few places, but they do exist. And there’s some great water in municipal waters of some cities in the world. Terrible water in others but, yeah, they vary.
Clint: So you’ve found that Sydney’s pretty good?
David: I’m thinking of Gold Coast, Brisbane, and Byron Hinterlands, and Byron Bay, because you’re coming off a volcano. Volcanic water…basically, where a volcanic event bursts through the old crust. In that seam right there is where you’re going to find springs. And that’s what’s going on the Byron Hinterlands, for example.
Clint: It is beautiful there, too. I know you’re a big lover of that area.
David: Yeah, I’ve hunted springs in that area and gotten the leeches and everything else. And the wait-a-while, what a devastating plant that is.
Clint: I don’t even know what that is?
David: It’s a thorny, very thorny, very difficult to get by type of plant that grows in the jungles there.
Clint: Okay, I’ll have to look that up. So you’ve giving us a lot of information. We’ve covered a lot of things. I think people might need to go away and spend some time looking at those herbs that you mentioned because some of those aren’t the sort of thing we see on a day-to-day basis.
David: Yeah. Although, turmeric’s working its way in.
David: And it’s orange, remember?
Clint: Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. That one’s well-known within my gang. And we have to rethink our overindulgence in delicious kombucha, because of the sugar.
David: Yeah, it’s like a dessert. Every now-and-then, yeah. But, not daily.
Clint: Yeah. And, we’ve got a lot of other tips there that we can work with. So, thanks very much, David. Really appreciate your time. This has been a lot of fun and at short notice. I think it just goes to show what a true passionate person you are about helping others, and helping people with their journey. Because, to set this up for us, at short notice, is just a wonderful gesture. Thank you very much, man. I really appreciate it.
David: Right on. Thank you. Thanks for coming over.
Clint: Where do we find out more about you? Give us some links, or some pages, or Facebook pages we could follow.
David: I’m on Facebook. Facebook.com\DavidAvocadoWolf. W-O-L-F-E. And you can find me also at DavidWolfe.com. D-A-V-I-D-W-O-L-F-E.com.
Clint: We’ll do that. Thanks very much.