How Lani Raced From RA To Great Health
We discuss how:
- After a period of intense stress Lani got a urinary tract infection
- After 10 days of antibiotics her hands felt like they were on fire
- Initial tests for RA went negative, but the pain extended to the wrists and then to the arms, feet and ankles
- While waiting for more specialized tests, she found the Paddison Program and started doing it.
- Two weeks later she was diagnosed with RA: the doctor suggested starting with Plaquenil
- Lani was already feeling better so she decided not to take drugs and continue with the food program.
- She was still barely able to walk, but she signed anyway for a half-marathon in Hawaii the she had run every year
- Five months later she actually ran the race and it was her second-best race ever!
- Lani shares a mindset list that helps her train the mind to deal with RA
Clint So I have another guest today to talk about her experience with rheumatoid arthritis, her name is Lani which is a beautiful name. My wife and I have many times have been to Hawaii and one of our favorite beaches is Lanikai, which is not on the main touristy path of Oahu but it’s a little out of the main touristy area and it’s a beautiful beach. And so when I met Lani at Plant Stock, which is a plant based event run by Rip Esselstyn and his family, and I was a speaker at that and Lani come up to me afterwards and told me about her transformation with rheumatoid arthritis. I was one taken aback by her beautiful name, and just so inspired by her story which is a short one in terms of how long she’s had rheumatoid arthritis but it’s also a powerful one. And so I said to Lani, love your name, and by the way can you come on and share your story on one of the episodes of the Paddison podcast? So thank you Lani for joining me today.
Lani Yes thanks for having me Clint, I’m excited to be here.
Clint Thank you. Yeah we had a lovely little chat after my presentation, you come up to me and you shared your story. And you’re so vibrant you’ve got so much energy, and I wanted to have you reach a bigger audience with what you’ve been able to achieve. Give us the sort of the rundown, you were only diagnosed I think less than a year ago, so maybe about10 months ago. You started to get symptoms I believe in your hands to begin with.
Lani Exactly. So my story was that before I even got the rheumatoid arthritis, I was under tremendous stress, my mentally. Well I had planned this wonderful vacation and last July of 2018, and I just was planning this for months, it’s gonna be perfect. And then when I got there my parents started calling me every day, and going you need to transfer one of our properties to somebody else, and you need to do this, and you need to go to the Japan consulate. I was like, No I’m not doing that because I had been my parents financial person for the last five years because they have so many health problems this and that, they can’t take care of things. So I was taking care of everything but they’re calling me every day saying you need to do this, and that, and I was saying no it’s just the scam, another scam. But then I came home from vacation and I immediately got a urinary tract infection which I had been getting now with a number of times over the last couple years. And I kept saying Why am I getting these?
Lani So I kept getting these urinary tract infections and the doctor just kept telling me, well it’s because of menopause you know. You just get these because you know your age you should, if you want to stop but you should go on estrogen or something that I don’t even like to take aspirin. I didn’t want to go on estrogen so I’ll just Okay I’ll take the antibiotics though. Just three days after I started taking the antibiotics, my hand I woke up in the middle of the night with both of my hands just on fire, in the middle of the night. And I, what’s going on? I’m under all this stress from my parents, I have this UTI, and now my hands I just you know I can’t do it it’s just too much, I need to reduce my stress I’m done. So I just put out of my mind like, I can’t deal with anybody’s stress anymore, I have to just take care of myself and you know heal myself. I got to be strong or else I can’t help anybody else.
Clint Had you not taken antibiotics a lot in the past or was this a dose?
Lani This was like the sixth time over the last three years.
Clint Oh my gosh, there we go.
Lani Were all like a week to 10 days’ worth of antibiotics. So I’m sure my gut was a mess, and with the stress and too I’m sure that (inaudible).
Clint Yup most definitely.
Lani So the next week I got really fast, I got into a general practitioner and she’s like yeah all the symptoms are rheumatoid arthritis. So let’s just do the blood test and then I’ll refer you to the rheumatologist. So because my mom has gone to autoimmune diseases and friends in the family at my (inaudible) my sister and I have been talking about it when are we going to get that? So I said OK well maybe it’s my time but so the rheumatologists did the test, and it wasn’t the rheumatologist it was the general practitioner. She did the test and then she emailed me and like a week later and said the test is negative, you don’t have rheumatoid arthritis. And that wasn’t the end of it, nothing she didn’t say what to do or anything else like that. So I’m like Okay, well my hands are still really bad I can barely do anything so I’ll just live with it for a while and see how it goes away. But over the next month I started getting it more in my wrist, down my arm, and my feet which I dug every day. My feet were getting really sore, and my ankles got so sore so I can barely jog anymore, and I had to start just walking and taking it easy. And I’m like, oh this is you know this is so painful I got to do something. So I told the General Practitioner again you know I it’s spreading around now, I got it all in my wrist and hands and feet. He was like, well you don’t have rheumatoid arthritis, so I’ll just send you to an orthopedic surgeon. So I’m thinking No I don’t need a surgeon because that’s not it.
Clint That’s crazy recommendation.
Lani And I made up my own mind, I’m just going to find a rheumatologist on my own out of insurance and pay for that cash.
Clint I suppose you were familiar with the concept of seeing a specialist doctor for these kind of conditions if your mom has autoimmunity.
Lani Yes, I’ve taking care of my mom for like five years I’ve been spending half of the year in Hawaii where she lives and half the year where I live like every two months, they’re two months here. Go with her the doctor’s multiple rheumatologist, and she has a ton of other problems, blood doctor and heart this and that because she has a ton of symptoms. So I got the rheumatologist appointment but in the meantime I’m looking up you know what can I do because I can’t run anymore and I really like to run. So I finally I looked up and I found your program and I thought how you, I saw your TED talk and I thought how your knees are so bad and then at the end you could just run and I’m like oh no way. He’s exactly what I want to do you know I want to run again. So I put that in my mind you know once I get the diagnosis I’m gonna look into that program. So I went to a rheumatologist and he said yeah everything looks just like zero negative RA, and my mom had always said, yeah they never could find any tests on me either. I’ve had it for 20 years I’ve had lupus and different autoimmune diseases, and they never could do with bloodwork, they never found the positive part. So I’m like that must be it then you know.
Lani So the rheumatologists said well let’s do this specialized test (inaudible).
Clint A Vectra test?
Lani Yeah, that sounds I could think that was it. I can’t remember (inaudible) that sounds like it. So I said OK let’s try that, and so we took the blood and in the meantime I’m like I’m just going to start to Paddison Program because I know in my mind this is it. And so I just buy your program, started in November and then about two weeks later I went back to see what the test results were. And he said yes, you have something going on in your bloodwork that’s showing me that you have RA. So he said Well you know I want to put you on Plaquenil I think you should go on Plaquenil. Now by then I’m like well my feet are already starting to feel better and you know everything like that I already improving, (inaudible) I’ve gotten so much better already. So it’s like well OK well just come in when you’re you know if you’re getting more pain but my answer is still in pain a lot. So he’s like take NSAID’s or something to for the inflammation and for the pain but then come back for the Plaquenil when you’re ready. So I said OK thanks and I left and I just went with your program, I did everything pretty much by the book. And so, oh what I had happen to when I found your running video I had also gotten an email same time, there was this race that I love to race this half marathon in Hawaii. I’ve been racing it every year and I got that and I thought my feet, I can’t even run, I can’t do this. I really want to do this, is this gonna be my life? You know it’s like how I have to live I just have to give up all these things that I love. But then I saw your video, and you were running, so I go well I’m going to do that. So I’m just signing up for the race no matter what. I couldn’t even barely walk at that time but I’m signing up anyway because I have hope now, I see Clint running and I’m to do it. So I stopped the rheumatologist stuff, I said I’m gonna just do the food stuff, and I did it, and then five months later I ran the race. It was my best race in years, I ran faster, I didn’t even have to. At the end it was just amazing, I’m like, this is so great, this is so awesome. I can’t even believe the power plants and all this.
Clint That’s fantastic.
Lani That was my second-best race ever.
Clint Wow. Second best one.
Lani My second proudest moment because I had just gotten over it. And then what I thought was maybe impossible I don’t know.
Clint How many years ago was the was the fastest you’ve ever run?
Lani Well let me tell you about my first race, the first time I ran, well you have to get older. But when you start (inaudible) middle age like I am then you start to fall apart and everyone else around you starts to fall apart. So my sister called me up and said Oh my brother in law’s got pre diabetes and he wants to exercise to try to get rid of it. So let’s join him and let’s do this marathon. I’m like, I’ve never ran in my life, I’m 50 years old. I’ve never done anything, never been athletic, nothing, I’m just like a couch potato so I had to think of it. So I’ve decided, OK a week later I’m OK I’m going to do it you know I’m going to do it for the team. So I got my son to do it too, he was 20, and he was in very good shape either so we start to do it and we ran down the block, and I could really pass two houses and then I was tired and I couldn’t. I’m like Oh my God, two houses I have to run a marathon 26 miles but I can do it. Let me let me do all this research so that I research you know how to do it, how to train. And I also research how to, these people that these newbies that actually did it and that’s all I got really inspired by the people that struggled and did it for the first time. That was the most inspiring and like wow they did it you know. So I go OK I can do it, and then we did all this training it was back and forth, it was very hard. I mean like oh my god why did I do this so hard I want to give up. But you have to train your mind to be able to do it and then so I had to observe my thoughts like I had to start controlling my mind. Like OK I’m just gonna try and make it to the next mailbox, you know I’m just going to try this and that.
Lani So everybody was saying no no too hard you should give it up because sometimes we got injured you know, we got aches and pains. They were like, give it up. I’m like No I said I was going to do it, I’m going to do it I’m going to continue, I’m going to do it for my brother in law, and I’m going to do it for me. So finally the race day came and you know my son and I are standing at the line and fireworks going off everything in Hawaii. It started at 5am so it’s like a amazing thing. And then six hours thirty seven minutes later my proudest moment of my whole life. It was so amazing, and this is how I got through. Just remembering this is how I got through the RA, how we got through the RA challenge because I remember this amazing thought and all the steps I went through to get through the RA, and this is what I want to tell your audience.
Clint Yeah. I want to see if you can recall or to break those down for us those particular mindsets.
Lani The first thing I have, you need to do is have your big why, why are you going to do this. The marathon I had the why, do it for the RA you start with like, OK I’m going to get rid of the pain. but there’s a bigger why, there’s like OK you know if I keep on going like this I’m going to be a burden to my family and you know I’m used to like taking care of my family going there all the time I have to leave my children at home and go take care of my parents. And I don’t want my kids to go through that, I’m just like I’m not going to make my kids do that.
Lani So then start where you are. I started when training for the marathon, I was at so bad so I had to stay. But when I started with the RA I was in much better shape so just everybody has to start with whoever they are. And so you’ve got to set these little tiny goals and you got to believe in yourself like I did the goal and know I’m just going to get to the next milestone. I’m just going to get to the next mailbox, but with R.A. I’m just going to get past this Thanksgiving meal or something like that which I really had to do I had to do that two weeks after I started the program. I had to get through all a huge family gathering, Thanksgiving. So you just have to set these little milestones and if you can do those, you can get past it. And you know I just have to get this through this meal, and I have to get through this office thing gathering where there’s cupcake, so just set your mind to.
Lani Then you have to learn, this is the most important part. You have to learn so much, you learn so much on your program and then you have to expand it. It’s bigger than RA, It’s everything. I started watching movies, I love to watch Forks over Knives you know what the hell for all those movies, I’m like oh my gosh it’s not just RA, it’s everything. It’s heart disease, it’s diabetes, you can cure it with food, it’s unbelievable. I’ve been you know my family I got really mad at first I’m like oh my god my dad had a bypass and had his chest ripped open maybe even tell him not to eat or stop eating oil. And my grandma was blind and in a wheelchair for 10 years and they never told her with the fats that get into your muscle next to what blocks the insulin from working. I’m learning so much, oh I have to tell everybody you know. So keep on learning, there’s so many books out there. I read The China Study I even did this nutritional of course I got certified in plant-based nutrition from the T Colin Campbell (inaudible).
Clint Fantastic, well done.
Lani I am so into this (inaudible) like OCD but I am so so amazing all the stuff you’re learning you know and how many people you can affect with this. So I think another way to learn is through podcasts, I like to every time I get in the car listen to a podcast. I’m going to listen to like nutrition facts Dr. Gregor or (inaudible) by PCRM the Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine. There’s just so many things you can learn from you know that you don’t have to take that much time. You can learn by podcast the YouTube video whatever. The next thing to do with racing is get a team, I had my son race with me and my sister and everything like that. OK. So I’m getting this knowledge, so I’m getting this team my husband doing me first. He has this friend that was started taking testosterone. So I’m like, you know I heard testosterone is not the cure that’s the system. You know you’re just affecting the symptom of erectile dysfunction. (inaudible) Yes. I’m saying.
Clint So let’s leave, let’s definitely not mention him by name.
Lani Diabetes, heart disease and stuff its fat clogging up your cell, fat clogging up your arteries. Oh I learned this fact that 50 percent of 50 year olds have that and so it’s like oh my gosh they’re selling all these pills and testosterone Viagra this man when it’s really just diet again. Yes. So he’s like I’m on board. So I helped my friend by like oh you know I heard you have breast cancer in your family why don’t you read this book How Not To Die you know it’s plant based and it shows you how to eat, and how you’re affecting your body. So I got so excited and telling everyone. So I’m growing my team and my in-laws who are big Italian family so my mother in law loves to cook and she wants to know what we can eat. Normal people don’t eat this way of salad. So I got her the engine to cookbook and she’s been trying all these recipes and to just saying wow this is really good. And you know I love these recipes, I love to cook this way. They’ve always been healthy so it’s really helpful.
Lani So grow your team and the next one I have for my running is observe your thoughts, super important. Whenever I was running and I was like OK I want to quit now my legs are, I’m just going to die, I’m so tired. And then I would have to stop myself while I’m running and I go, No way I’m just making that up my legs can really run. I think of it like a devil angel on my shoulder kind of like I’m going to hear the bad thoughts come first and then I try to talk me out of doing whatever I’m doing and then I I have to keep going and think now that’s not exactly right. No I don’t have to stop for this fast to (inaudible) right now. No I don’t have to really have this desert because my other good angel was saying, no you have the healthy sweet potato at home you don’t need to eat that you to stay strong, you can do it. You can just eat your salad, your stuff you prepared that’s just as convenient as this fast food. So observe your thoughts, super important and only act on the good ones.
Lani So my next thing was, don’t listen to naysayers. When I was running I had people saying no no no, and the same thing with RA. No you can’t cure it by diet, no you’ve got to eat, no you’re getting too skinny or you’re not getting enough protein, this and that. So I had to figure out what’s right, and I’m a doctor and so is my husband we’re both optometrists actually, eye doctor. So when we went to school we know we didn’t learn a thing about nutrition even though diabetes of I is like one of the major contributors to blindness in the world, we didn’t learn anything about how to treat diabetes you know we didn’t learn about nutrition. So we know that it’s just doctors don’t know they don’t learn that stuff. So we have to learn on our own. So we’re like OK we’re learning all this stuff now when we went to camp plants back, oh my gosh our minds were blown we do this ever since then my husband’s been coming home with stories every day how he’s telling his patients to treat their eyes. OK you’ve got to eat the vegetables, you’ve got to eat the green leafy vegetable, you’ve got to eat this and that you know. So it’s been really amazing.
Lani So don’t always listen to the doctor, you have to always see what’s right. And a lot of times in medical school it’s just treating to the symptom, treating to pharmacology. That’s what I learned, that’s what doctors learn how to treat the symptom with the drug. So you know we can’t blame them it’s just that’s a fact. OK, so the next thing is OK prepare your fuel for the race, prepare your fuel for daily life and living with RA, you have to be prepared. I always every time I do like I cook quinoa, I do the whole bag. I do a whole bag and I freeze the rest, I keep some for the this Week and I freeze the rest or whatever. So I have bags and bags (inaudible), quinoa, lentils all frozen. So whenever I don’t have time I can just whip it out and it’s just defrost, done you know I love it that way. And then I have to cookbooks I have to simplify, I just you know make some kind of oats for breakfast, some kind of vegetable soup for dinner especially at first when you’re just getting used to the diet. You know don’t make it too tough on yourself, make it as easy as possible. OK.
Lani And I have learn when I was searching for things like to do for the eye but good for your whole body. Well everything they always take one part but it’s really your whole body that’s affected by everything. So eat a variety of vegetables, eat the rainbow they say because this fruit might affect this, this might affect that and it’s all different. You want to heal your whole body, you want to be healthy your whole body just how RA affects not just your joints, that can affect your heart, your kidneys, everything else so you want your whole body to be healthy. Eat the rainbow.
Lani OK. I never got to tell you the end of the story about the marathon. I finished the marathon and then my son, I looked all over the place for him at the end. At the beginning we said OK we’re going to run our own race this is another point in RA, run your own race. So we were there together at the beginning and he just ran off in front of me, so I’m like OK I’m running my own race you know this is what I do, I got it. So I finished that began and then I looked all over from I couldn’t find him anywhere. I’m like waiting, we didn’t have cell phones or anything so I’m waiting hours for him. And I’m like Where is he? So I walked back words of the marathon race and about a mile away I saw an ambulance and saw them loading somebody in I’m like Oh may God. So I ran over there and looking but it wasn’t him luckily. So I go about half a mile more and I found in his knees had gotten totally inflamed, he’s at about mile 11. They were all puffy and he was just in agony. I’m like Oh my God you didn’t quit. He’s like No I’m finishing and he was out of his mind with pain. So when I walked with him the rest of the race walked back to the finish and he finished eleven hours fifty six minutes later. So this is with RA, mine was quick because I got it right away. But if you didn’t had RA longer you’re gonna have a longer race. That’s just how it’s going to be, it’s everybody has to run their own race, it’s not about I healed so fast. You know somebody else is going to heal so fast no, doesn’t work that. Everybody has to do it their own way.
Clint That’s a fantastic summary.
Lani I only use my mindset already to conquer the RA and it worked beautifully.
Clint Absolutely. And I also know your first point which is what is this all about. You know someone did a TED talk about this and then published a book called Start With Why. And the book I don’t know if you’ve read the book, Oh it’s a hugely popular mostly in business circles marketing, circles the. I should actually know the author’s name, he made it about Apple actually. He talked about Apple as a company and how they grew and they start with why. You start with why you do this one, why we’re in business why. And that’s why I have a poster, I don’t know if you have printed it out. But as part of our advance package materials in the Paddison Program you print it out, It’s why I must get well. Do you remember?
Lani Because I don’t have the advance because I just followed your stuff and I didn’t you know I had this mindset already.
Clint You just needed that simple stuff and you’re gonna get well. So I wrote out a list for myself why I must get well, and I still have that piece of paper that’s nailed something like 11 years old or something. And the why I must get well and I just looked at it.
Lani I do remember it’s scribble out.
Clint It was scribbled out handwritten, and it was things like because I want to be able to have children and the medications just make me feel so ill. And I want to be able to feel the joy of the breeze in my face as I run and stuff like that. So these things we can then apply the pictures in our mind of what these things look like whether it be having children or whether it be some bushes going past you as you run whatever and we can picture that. And that’s how the mind responds doesn’t it? It responds to pictures and images and emotions but mostly the pictures and if we could picture something that it can pull that into our life manifest it. So thank you for that wonderful…
Lani And I wanted to tell you well for the last year I don’t have anymore urinary tract infections, I don’t have any RA pain at all, I got rid of a bunch of other stuff too. Everybody’s been saying it’s genetic like I had all these bumps on my arms forever from my dad, my brother, and I, all had it. So they’re all like, that’s genetic but no they’re gone. I had constipation all the time, now gone everything’s gone. I’m like wow this is so good, it your whole body. It’s not just one part.
Clint Absolutely. And which are the foods do you emphasize mostly in your diet to stay optimally healthy obviously. Yeah we know there’s a lot of pseudo grains in our program, there’s a lot of rice, potatoes, it’s a little bit starchy, and a lot of greens and juices. But how do you emphasize it to get the best results?
Lani Right, I definitely emphasize the top group. And I thought your program was perfectly for me the elimination part of the program was spot on. Whenever I would try foods in the next group I would have my joint pain would come back and I would have to go back to the reset foods, I always go back to the reset foods. I’ve had to go back like a dozen times at least because I kept getting pain every time I started with the next food. Like with oatmeal, with beans, and even other things you wouldn’t think of pineapple pie, papaya. I had to go back to the reset foods, I mostly eat the reset foods now I still quinoa and I make huge salads of every colour and I eat sweet potatoes, got to love the sweet potato. So yeah I stay on that a lot but I can eat almost anything now because I’ve been through the whole thing so long.I wait for a couple weeks and then I try a food that I haven’t been able to eat before, and almost every time the second time I can eat it by then. The only two foods I still never have been able to eat are the wheat bread and oil well oil and we don’t eat anyway. But I’ve tried a few times and now like at restaurants or something and I eat something with oil and that was no it was really bad.
Clint That’s a really really bad idea. And you said wheat bread.
Lani Wheat bread I’ve tried it four times now and every time, and I felt it got kind of worse every time. Like the last time I tried it, It took me four days to get back to no pain where I you know maybe with two days I thought for but I felt like though I don’t even I don’t want to try this again. But I’m not sure if it’s wheat or gluten or anything because I haven’t tried the other grains like rye that something.
Clint Well don’t worry too much about it, I mean the wheat bread even if you did need it for the next two years you can still enjoy other foods.
Lani Exactly, I have plenty of foods to eat. I mean there’s so many vegetables out there waiting for me to try. That’s really great. I am amazed with all these cookbooks and you can watch YouTube videos and all these things now.
Clint So I’m going to put you on the spot, we didn’t talk about this topic beforehand in terms of our very brief preparation. But we get we have a lot of people who have dry eyes as a result of either an autoimmune condition.
Lani My sister had Sjogren’s.
Clint Right, exactly. I mean I’ve got many people inside my support group who have that. Given all that you’ve learnt both in your professional optometry career and now from a dietary side viewpoint as well. Would you be able to make any sort of generic suggestions to people who have dry eyes, Sjogren’s for example what they might be able to to do about it given this new insight that you’ve got in the last 12 months?
Lani Well you know my sister, I told her about the Paddison Program and she’s following it but she’s not perfect on it with especially with the oils, so and sometimes cheating. So I can’t get it exactly, you know but she says it’s definitely helpful for the Sjogren’s and she has osteoarthritis too, so both. So I would I would definitely just stick to your program, I can’t think of anything that would be otherwise.
Clint Right. So you’d know you’ve not found any magic drops for the idea that often relief. No I was hoping there might have been you know as a bit of that sort of just a flash in the pan kind of thing. I’ve definitely seen consistent improvements for people with that autoimmune condition with their eye dryness and the amount of drops they’ve needed and so forth from the right pain and so the redness and so on in the eyes.
Lani That’s good, that’s great.
Clint I thought I’d run that past you. Well I think this has been great. I’ve really enjoyed your.
Lani Are you can watch as the game changers?
Clint Yeah most definitely. When this comes out, we might be just about the day that that movie runs so that September 16th 2019, which is as we record this it’s six days away. Definitely gonna watch that, I’m going to send out an e-mail also to my mailing list for everyone to watch that as well. So it’s gonna be great.
Lani So I have this challenge that. OK, I have three kids, they’re in their mid-20s. They’re all the sad eaters, Standard American Diet. So I’m like so excited about this now, I gave him a challenge. We’re going to do a race a 10k and this coming Sunday, and then the next day I’m going to bring him to the game changers. And then they’re going to see you know all the athletes that they live on this plant-based diet. So I’m going to get them all pumped up and they said they would do a 45 day full food plant based challenge, and they would do it all the way up until this next race. We have 45 days later this half marathon, so I said OK. Compare the way you feel for this race and compare you where you feel after, and I bet you’re gonna just feel so much better. It’s gonna be unbelievable.
Clint That’s exciting.
Lani I’m hoping they stick to it.
Clint You’re running your own little mini trial.
Lani (inaudible) and my son said OK what are you going to do? You’re gonna have to post everything on Instagram so to keep us accountable and see what recipes we’re gonna use. So I’m going to try to do that.
Clint Oh that’s great, Oh you’re doing so many wonderful things in your immediate team, and thank you for reaching my team.
Lani You’ve just reached so many people through me, through my husband, and it’s just expanding like and saying.
Clint It’s wonderful isn’t it. Did he come to plant stock did you say?
Lani Yes he did he went to plant stock. He wasn’t knowing everything that I knew before, now he’s just blown away and telling all his patients all the time just how great it is. You can do all these things.
Clint Yeah it’s fantastic. Well if they keep up all the wonderful work that you’re doing, and thank you for sharing, and thank you for your mindset list which is really really helpful. And for you know it’s just wonderful to hear this story and speak to you again this time online and of course the first time when we met in person. So thanks Lani.
Lani Thank you, thanks Clint.